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Flash Poll: No Clear Winner in Monday Night's Debate

Not surprisingly, Republican respondents said Mitt Romney won and Democrats said Barack Obama won. But Democratic respondents were much stronger in their opinion.

 

 

Your view of Monday night’s presidential debate on foreign policy may come down to who you already supported for president.

A Patch flash poll of influential Republicans and Democrats in Georgia found that opinions on who won generally fell along party lines: Republicans thought Gov. Mitt Romney was the winner and Democrats thought President Barack Obama prevailed.

It was a strong contrast to the first time the candidates faced off on Oct. 3, when the consensus of both parties was that Obama looked bored or annoyed and that Romney succeeded in presenting himself as presidential.

Republican respondents said they felt Romney won the final debate, with 26.7 percent saying it was “by a wide margin” and 40 percent “by a slim margin.” Another 23.3 percent were neutral on the question and few Republicans gave the win to Obama.

Democrats also said their own candidate won Monday’s debate, but they were much stronger in their assessment, with 90.5 percent saying Obama won “by a wide margin” and 9.5 percent saying he won “by a slim margin.”

The flash poll of elected officials, candidates and activists is unscientific. Thirty Republicans and 21 Democrats took part.

Several Republican respondents said they thought Obama was aggressive and “disrespectful” in his tone, while they saw Romney as calm and in command of his arguments. Democratic respondents saw Romney as a flip-flopper who was loose with the facts.

Respondents in both parties predicted that the national media would declare Obama the winner, with 57 percent of Republicans and 86 percent of Democrats saying the president would get the nod of pundits.

Respondents in both parties were mixed on whether Monday night’s debate would help their candidate make a stronger showing in Georgia. No clear pattern emerged, but several respondents noted that Georgia remains a Red State that should be safe for Romney.

One Republican respondent predicted:

“Georgia will vote Romney, the nation will vote for Obama, the Republicans retain the House, the Democrats will retain the Senate by a slim margin. Get ready for 4 more years that look just like the last.”

What do you think? How much do the debates matter? Do you think Republicans will win Georgia by as wide a margin as they did in the 2008 presidential election?

Related Topics: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, election 2012, participate 2012, and political influencers

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Marc Richardson

11:17 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

My Twitter feed last night and today says that Obama clearly won the 3rd debate.

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Tomathy

11:24 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Thats because your twitter feed is full of Obama supporters.

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Rex Smithers

11:29 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Well if YOUR twitter feed says it, then it must be true. Do you also trust the messages in your fortune cookies?

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Henry Orvin

1:49 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

All those elderly people that always vote Republican use twitter a lot and I am sure they were commenting last night on how well Obama did. :-)

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r patton

5:01 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Clearly? What are you smoking?

Phil

11:23 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The bigger question is who came across as Presidential, serious and level-headed and who sounded like the challenger, sarcastic and intemperate?

Hmmm..........................

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r patton

5:02 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Good question. Does it start with an R?

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Eddie E.

5:34 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

If you prefer a confused wandering individual with no concept of the truth, then I guess you found a different victor than I.

CrowBurger

11:47 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The article says: "A Patch flash poll of influential Republicans and Democrats in Georgia...."
44 people (as of 11:45am 10/23/12)? "Influential" More so than who? So collegiate. Not even post-graduate stuff. Ok, heck, it's downright high-schoolish.

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J. H.

12:06 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Romney was like a little mouse and he lied about all his past positions. He will do or say anything to get elected. He can't be trusted.

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Suzi G

12:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Here is a quote from an article written by Mitt Romney in 2008in the New York Times concerning the Auto industry. During the debate last night BHO called Romney out saying he had a foggy memory and said he didnt want to help out the auto industry. Romney objected and tried defenending himself. BHO said people could look it up and Romney agreed. Well I am an informed voter and I looked it up. Romney DID NOT LIE..BHO did or he needs to get his fact checkers to fo a better job.
"The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check"

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Neil Stapley

3:10 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Yes he was for a managed bankruptcy, he was against a government bailout of the auto industry. By having private administrators manage the proceedings him and his vultures would have cherry picked the good parts and sold them off to China leaving Detroit to rot. That is why a government bailout of the car industry was so necessary 10,000s of jobs saved an industry that has reorganized and is now a lot stronger. Every single car company that has gone bankrupt and been allowed to disappear has been asset stripped and shipped to off to china. All Romney is doing is being very clever with the words he is using.

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J. H.

4:22 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

No private money was available for a bankruptcy like the one
Romney spoke of in the article and he knows it. The only money available was government bailout money and Romney objected to it. I'm also an informed voter.

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Neil Stapley

3:31 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Romney has not at any point listed companies that would have been prepared to back a private bailout reasons of which it probably had China written all over it. The Liquidity that the Fed provided which is what Romney was against was not available in the private sector this would have meant during a managed bankruptcy both GM and Chrysler would not have had enough funding to continue operations. The reason Ford were able to avoid federal help was they had brands in such as Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Mazda etc that they were able to sell off to provide the funding.

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Eric Hovdesven

4:22 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?src=mv&_r=0#38;ref=general
"Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced so that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher than that of foreign producers.

That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car. Think what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota’s Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it has $2,000 more put into it."

First of all Mitt's fascination with Avalons and Tauruses show how far out of touch he is. Could he not at least compare the Camry to the Fusion? And by the way contrary to his statement the Taurus is a better car.

But the bigger issue is this quote: "retiree benefits must be reduced" His Managed Bankruptcy was designed to cut obligations to retirees and reduce the pay to middle class workers, the auto workers, and they are not overpaid, they have taken several pay cuts over the years. The only people overpaid are the executives who've reaped insane compensation levels.

Finally there was no Managed Bankruptcy available that would have allowed the companies to operate without shutting down. This is why Ford supported the bailout, to avoid the shutdown, because doing that would have put suppliers out of business and since they supply Ford, Ford would have gone out of business.

Neil Stapley's assessment is also correct.

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Eric Hovdesven

4:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Oh and you know to the extent Japan has a labor cost advantage (which is debateable) its because in the U.S. they have a younger work force due to the newer plants and less retirees.

So really, Mitt's unfeasible plan if feasible would have hurt retiree's. And the pension obligations would likely have had to be picked up by the U.S. Government which would have cost us more money.

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Eddie E.

4:22 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

David,

And I bet you view yourself as a 'patriot'?

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Eddie E.

4:28 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Eric,
Aside from your questionable comparison between Taurus and Avalon, you leave out one other clear cost reduction for auto production in civilized countries.
THEY HAVE CENTRALIZED, SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE that everyone finances through their withholding. Their collective bargaining representatives do not have to fight for increased compensation through expensive health car plans.

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Andrew Blawat

7:13 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Almost two thirds of GM's jobs are in other countries. Real nice of Obama to finance China and other foreign countries with our money:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/08/12/outsourcer-in-chief-obama-of-general-motors/

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Andrew Blawat

7:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Eric, Ford didn't need the bailout -- it had previously arranged a multibillion-dollar line of private credit.

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Andrew Blawat

7:19 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Only a buffoon thinks socialism is civilized.

After 50 years of socialism, Castro finally admits the Cuban socialist/communist system does NOT work. Even with financial support from Russia and China.

But look at what he has done to the Cuban people. They are living in abject poverty. He has destroyed any entrepreneurial spirit they may have had over the last 50 years.

Russian socialism didn't work either. And China is forging ahead at a frightening pace with capitalism.

HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU LEFTISTS / LIBERALS / SOCIALISTS / COMMUNISTS NEED???

And yet the democrats forge ahead with their socialist agenda. WE'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

8:06 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

@ Neil please read the actual text AGAIN - it offered a Chrysler style arrangement where the GOVERNMENT would NOT step in and close dealers etc.

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CrowBurger

6:01 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Nice quote, Suzi G,

"The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check"

shed excess labor (people), pension (contracts) and real estate costs (taxes)

dude is good, gotta say that.

Mary Lou

1:05 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Romney showed his ability to reach across party lines with civility. Even though he is not yet president, his entire persona showed presidential. He also Cleary showed he is about business, past debates showed his ability to be a leader during and stand his ground when necessary. I saw all three debates as a clear ability to lead, in any circumstances that will arise during a presidency.

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Nicolas Jackson Sr

2:35 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The Norcross Pd a horrible job Nic Nick Jackson mu murder investigation I think the Norcross residence should know

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Just Peachy

2:54 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The one thing that I keep noticing is Romney voters are always educated on the presidential questions while Obama voters don't ever give an educated reason for their vote.

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George Wilson

3:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

@Michele Reed
Than you haven't been reading the comments..

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BStein

4:22 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Do you want a list of reasons? I can go all day....99% of Romney voters are voting against their own interests....sounds like you're on of them.....

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Steve R.

4:19 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I've been reading and Michele is correct. Please put emphasis on the phrase
"educated reason for their vote".

Blaming Bush for Global Warming, 911, Fannie and Freddie isn't an educated reason. You guys never mention Slobbering Barney Frank. He covered for his boyfriend who worked for Fannie Mae at the time. Or is it his husband now?

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Eddie E.

4:24 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

SteveR.,

My, you get a star. You recite the inaccurate wrong wing radio talking points so very well.
Now it might benefit you to learn about the real world.

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Cooper Brown

4:48 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Am citing here an educated reason as discussed in the debate last night to position voting for President Obama Ms. Reed. And you really should read more than the local Patch to get a national view of how Obama voters do voice their educated opinions!
President Obama to Ex-Governor Romney: "And the fact is while we were coordinating an international coalition to make sure these sanctions were effective, you were still invested in a Chinese state oil company that was doing business with the Iranian oil sector. So I’ll let the American people decide, judge who’s going to be more effective and more credible..."
Romney will sell America out for the Money$$! He is not a credible candidate, as you can discern from his many pivots (flip-floppings) on so many views even as noted last night.

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Andrew Blawat

7:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The Obamanauts just tend to quote what Obama tells them to believe rather than give citations and sources for their claims.

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Cooper Brown

11:08 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Citing source: http://www.mittromney.com/disclosure/mitt/tax-return/2011/wmr-trust-return
Page 43 of the return (pg 14 of the pdf) references CNOOC investment dates acquired, and date sold; the Romneys invested in China National Offshore Oil Corporation from 2009 to 2011—even as US sanctions called for divestment of companies that do business with Iran's energy sector, as CNOOC does. The Chinese oil giant's parent company is helping Iran develop the North Pars natural gas field in a deal estimated to be worth $16 billion. The Romneys sold their shares in CNOOC 8/10/201.
Additional reading: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/romney-china-stock-investments

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Andrew Blawat

1:16 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

If CNOOC is sanctioned than why are they on the NYSE? Nice try on the spin.

http://www.nyse.com/listed/ceo.html

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Stan

8:30 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Actually the polls show Obama ahead with college grads. Romney voters tend to be lower in education.

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Stan

8:30 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Actually the polls show Obama ahead with college grads. Romney voters tend to be lower in education.

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Andrew Blawat

8:59 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

In Colorado, Romney wins the support of white college graduates, with 49 percent support to Mr. Obama's 46 percent.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57488777/poll-romney-leads-in-colo-obama-in-va-wis/

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Andrew Blawat

9:01 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

CBS poll from 2 days ago:

... it is a closer race among whites who have a college degree - Romney leads 50 to 45 percent with that group...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57537319/poll-obama-romney-locked-in-tight-race/

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Andrew Blawat

9:06 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Gallup poll October 9-15 2012

Romney leads 61-39 among college grads

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158048/romney-obama-among-likely-voters.aspx

Nicer try on you propaganda attempts Stan

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Stan

9:40 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Actually if you look at my statement I said college graduates. You are refuting it with polls talking about just white college graduates. Maybe you think those other folks shouldn't be able to vote. When total college grads are counted there a clear majority for Obama, and yes Romney voters tend to be people with less education. In fact the higher the education level the more likely the voter will be for Obama. Makes you wonder, huh.

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Andrew Blawat

2:36 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Stan, the Gallup poll does not designate a race and it has Romney up by 61-39 which is a very clear majority for ROMNEY.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158048/romney-obama-among-likely-voters.aspx

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Stan

1:14 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Well that's just one poll. If you still believe here is something else you can chew on. Take a look at the states based on educational performance and compare it to a list of redstates versus blue states. Almost all the states with poor educational performance are redstates supporting Romney.

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Andrew Blawat

5:46 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Stan are you saying that the poll does not count because you don't agree with it?

Here are school stats and Georgia is number 7 which is way ahead of California and Illinois.

http://www.edweek.org/ew/qc/2012/16src.h31.html

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Stan

5:59 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Where do you get your glasses. Georgia 7th best in the country in education, take another look its really 47th. Look at recognized test scores Georgia will be near bottom along the other redstates.

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Andrew Blawat

6:14 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Stan you don't need glasses too read the stats. Look on the right side. http://www.edweek.org/ew/qc/2012/16src.h31.html

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Stan

6:22 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

The source you are quoting for Georgia is based on a number of factors unrelated to actual educational performance. When looking at things like graduation rates, test scores, etc., Georgia is near the bottom. For example Georgia ranks 47th in SAT scores for 2012.

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Stan

6:29 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

The report you reference is based on a number of factors but isn't talking about overall educational performance. When you look at things like test scores, graduation rates,etc. Georgia ranks near the bottom. For example Georgia ranks 47th in 2012 SAT scores.

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Andrew Blawat

6:47 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

If you look at the figures 80% of students take the SAT in Georgia while the leaders on the SAT have 5%, 7%, and 3% of students taking the test.

http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/policyblog/detail/sat-scores-by-state-2011

Here is an article about GA being number 7:

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2012/01/12/georgia-earns-a-7th-place-ranking-nice-to-see-us-up-there-with-new-york-and-massachusetts-for-a-change/

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Andrew Blawat

6:52 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Even the liberal Huffington Post has Georgia at number 19 which is way ahead of California (34):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/state-education-rankings-_n_894528.html

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Stan

6:57 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Read your article in the AJC a little closer, Georgia gets an F for results. Pick any accepted standards for judging performance and Georgia is near the bottom. If you want to be denial and put lipstick on this pig go ahead.

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Andrew Blawat

7:20 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

If you go back to the source and click on Ga you can plainly see no F's were given

http://www.edweek.org/ew/qc/2012/16src.h31.html.

I posted numerous links while you posting your opinion. Talk without proof is cheap. I know you want to see Georgia look bad but it is not so.

LauraSelf

3:10 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I think it was a draw. Whoever you favor is the person you think did better. The real question is, did anyone change their minds. Romney needed to show up and do well, which he did. Obama needed to really outshine Romney in order to swing the momentum back his way. In my opinion, he fell short of that and came off as unpresidential. Telling someone the "80's called and want their foreign policy back" is not the way a President should be speaking to anyone. It was downright childish. I think it was a draw in the debate, which favors Romney, since he has the momentum right now.

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BStein

4:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

This magical momentum that you speak of means nothing....Obama is still leading in the swing states that are crucial to winning in two weeks. Popular vote (i.e. National polls) means zilch.....

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Eddie E.

4:18 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Yet another example of some permutation of 'come off as unPresidential'.

The President wiped the floor with romney, who was clearly out of his element and obviously unfamiliar with much of the factual reality of world governance.

But when the President clearly demonstrates romneys shortcomings, he is 'aggressive' or 'a bully', or 'unpresidential'.

Why not, 'romney is clearly un-qualified'?

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Eddie E.

6:45 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

David,

November 7, The President wins NV, OH, WI, MI, PA, VT (as well as all the solid Blues).
The President may very well win CO, and despite the imaginary first debate bump, probably FL.

Four More Years,

Get happily used to it!

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Andrew Blawat

7:28 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Each side will claim a win by its champion, but the important result of the third presidential debate is that Mitt Romney looked presidential, and Barack Obama failed to paint him as a dangerous warmonger.

For the first half of the debate, Obama frequently looked down while he was speaking, while Romney looked straight at the moderator and Obama. He looked confident, comfortable in his skin, and on the ball. He did not falter in the least.

Obama, on the other hand, betrayed his mood with eyes, which frequently looked worried, angry, sometimes sad, or even a hint of haunted.

Romney's momentum has not been checked by this debate. Obama is starting to realize that he will lose.

r patton

5:05 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

How many things do you want listed that are "WRONG" with Comrade obama?

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Tammy Osier

6:32 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Even CNN gave Romney a thumbs up. Obama won on points (whatever the criteria is for that) BUT across the board in radio and television I keep hearing he same message: Romney sounded presidential and competent. At the end of the day, that's all that matters and people are ready for change.
David, I heard tht women are putting Romney over in Ohio. There are more women who have jobs and kids to feed than need birth control. I think bho flubbed that one up.

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Eddie E.

6:46 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Tammy,
Apparently 'Presidential' to some is clearly, confused, detached and unable to answer truthfully, to others.

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Andrew Blawat

7:29 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Eddie is was Obama who looked detached and sad. He also had a hard time keeping eye contact in the first half.

Mary Lou

7:13 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

@Eddie E- can you not make a single post at an attempt to state your position or convey your point without the constant use of such inflammatory words? This is such a huge reason we independents shy away from whatever party side is using them. It really takes away everything your trying to say or make a point of.

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Todd G

9:54 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

No such thing as true "Independents". Just because someone is registered as an Independent doesn mean they are. Every person leans one way and thats the way they vote 99.99% of the time. Ive yet to met someone who votes between the two parties over their lifetime.

Tammy Osier

8:36 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Obama was put into office for all the wrong reasons. Once America gets past her 'firsts', then they begin choosing people for their character and experience, not because they are trying to make a point. That will make it harder for democrats to control people through special interest. Obama has been controlled by pelosi, reid and the like- especially his first two years. You hardly ever saw him. They made all the decisions. He might have had some good ideas going in, but was never allowed to have a thought of his own. Might explain why he is uncomfortable when he is challenged. I don't think those are his convictions, but his handlers. That's why he's always needed a teleprompter. maybe that's why he was looking down- had to read notes. And Eddie, it was obama who was unqualified. Romney comes with quite a resume. Hewill also surround himself with good, competent people, unlike obama who had biden, reid and pelosi. I think he will have amuch better advantage going in.

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George Wilson

9:05 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

@Tammy Osier
OBAMA pursued the Presidency for all the right reasons, has done an admirable job despite vicious opposition, and has not been appreciated in the least, even by his party. In spite of this he continues to lead with wisdom, dignity, and compassion.

We have a congress that is only willing to be led by lobbyists and special interests. We have an electorate that chooses to be led more by deceptive media pundits than honest rationale debate. We have been offered an alternative that is slick, handsome, zealous, a convincing liar, and desperately wants the job to fulfill his personal and religious destiny.

The choice is clear and Obama's integrity and selfless, dutiful path of leadership deserves to be rewarded with a landslide of voter support.

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Steve R.

9:52 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

George actually believes all that horse crap.

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Eddie E.

7:59 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Steve R.,
I'm glad George believes what he stated.....
Because it is true, chapter and verse....

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Andrew Blawat

5:13 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Obama doing an admirable job? LOL!!!

In all fairness Obama should be given the credit he deserves.
He has done more than any other President before him.
He has an impressive list of accomplishments:

First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states ( Mexico vs Arizona ).

First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

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Andrew Blawat

5:13 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to terminate America 's ability to put a man in space.

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
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First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.

First President to go on multiple "global apology" tours and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.

First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayer.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran & tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

Just Peachy

9:56 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Why are the Obama followers so hostile? A wise man chooses his words carefully while a fool only lashes out! Everyone clearly has their God given right to choose who they want to lead our country but I'd much rather have a calm, collective leader that I feel confident has our country in his best interest and not one who ridicules his opponent and our country.

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CrowBurger

6:14 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

"Everyone clearly has their God given right to choose who they want to lead our country"

Are you saying that we have (as individuals) the right to vote for president? If so, could you show me where that is in the Constitution? Or, better, where that right is granted by (a) god? I see Constitutional Law in your future, and a little scripture wouldn't hurt.

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BStein

12:58 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I'm not hostile at all...I just think you're wrong on so many levels that I thought it important to point it out. By the way....God has nothing to do with my choice. I make that all on my own, God grants me the the brain to make my own decisions, not to make choices for him.

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Andrew Blawat

5:02 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

The Obamanauts realize that they are going to lose so they are acting out.

Just Peachy

6:35 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

@ Roger... It was an expression of speech and what I meant by that was everyone has their right to vote for who they choose without being bashed or criticized for it. This is a forum to discuss maturlly the issue at hand. I was stating a fact and you just proved it. Seems the Obama supporters including yourself, seem hostile and use words if anger because we have a different opinion than you. Example: You don't know me but you sarcasticly tell me I need scripture...hmmm... Enough said!

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CrowBurger

6:44 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Who said I support Obama? Go find it in my quotes. I'm not hostile, I'm asking you a series of questions. The only opinion I forgave was yours that voting for the president is a "right," it is not, so I ask you to prove that by showing me where it says that..... anywhere. And, I never presume to tell people what they "need," but, if I did, I'd say yours was a spanking.

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Eddie E.

8:05 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Michele,
How is supporting the President 'hostile'?
How is identifying inaccuracies in the romney presentation 'hostile'?
Why is there any supposition that those of us who were angry at the disaster wrought on this Country by the bush administration and compliant Congress should sit quietly and encourage a return to the same disastrous policies?
Everyone is welcomed to their opinion, but we all have to pay for the lingering disasters of ill conceived policies.
I for one am glad to see the economy recovering and our international image returning to a place of honor.

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Andrew Blawat

5:37 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Even the hard left leaning Letterman called out Obama on his lies:

DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST: Here's what upset me last night, this playing fast and loose with facts. And the President Obama cites the op-ed piece that Romney wrote about Detroit, “Let them go bankrupt, let them go bankrupt,” and last night he brings it up again. “Oh, no, Governor, you said let them go bankrupt, blah blah blah, let them go bankrupt.” And Mitt said, “No, no, check the thing, check the thing, check the thing.”

Now, I don't care whether you're Republican or Democrat, you want your president to be telling the truth; you want the contender to be lying. And so what we found out today or soon thereafter that, in fact, the President Obama was not telling the truth about what was excerpted from that op-ed piece. I felt discouraged.

Pete

8:38 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

What is funny is while taking the high road in debate #1, Obama is chastised by the MSM, yet when Romney takes the high road in debate #3, he is "presidential".
Obama throws out a zinger, which is true by the way, and all of the sudden people are up in arms about "insulting the marines" I am so sick of the media narrative and the spin by both sides..

Make no mistake, Romney scares the ever loving stuff out of me, because I still have no idea what he will do - although he will do it based on polls and focus groups and whatever his handlers and donors tell him to do.

What's worse is we all know exactly what Obama will do.

Whats even worse is the fact Congress has run this country into the ground, yet they get a pass...

I've yet to find people who are for Romney other than the fact he is not Obama, because no one can tell me which Romney will be there come January - Moderate Romney, Conservative Romney - debate #2 Romney, Governor Romney, Bain Romney - seriously, WHO IS THIS GUY?

I've been an independent that has voted Republican and Democrat, but it's time for us to progress to a 3rd and 4th party country....

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Andrew Blawat

5:01 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

What is even worse is what Obama will do.

President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.

President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

In January 2007 the Democrats had the majority in both the Congress and the Senate. 18 months later the housing boom started.

Vote GOP to prevent the destructive policies of the Democrats.

Todd G

9:49 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Wow...are you kidding me? I know this is a RED state but come on. Obama won "bayonets" down!

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Just Peachy

10:01 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

@ Eddie: I respect your views, however I was referring to the people who have commented on this forum in a condescending and hostile way towards the Romney supporters. If you read the above comments, one from Roger to me especially then you may get my point!

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Just Peachy

10:04 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

The one good thing about the polls are a. Obama may have one the debate poll on round 3 but b. Romney is winning in the voting poll!!!

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Pete

11:00 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

@Michelle - depending on what part of the country, and which "voting poll" - is it exit polls, is it cold calls, is it the corner of a grocery store? I honestly do not have a clue what to believe anymore - it's like a NASCAR race - one minute one guys in the lead, then the next minute the other guy is on his bumper and passes him.. CNN has Obama in the lead, Fox has Romney. if you poll red states Romney is in the lead, blue states Obama..

And regarding Romney "supporters" Look, I am all for free speech and educated decisions, but from what I read, there are fewer educated decisions then there is pure hatred and contempt for the other candidate... One thing I've seen come through with flying colors are insults over color, ethnicity and bigoted hate as the fallback reason - he's muslim, he's black, he's a socialist, he wasn't born here, he's this, he's that... Voting out a man for her performance is one thing, but I'd say most have harbored the hatred since 2008! Congress went into this current session with a mission to destroy the country to prevent get him out of office - they said it up front!!! Those are the guys that are suddenly going to turn bipartisan???
You can dislike a person and his policies but still be civil about it and not hold the country hostage...

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Andrew Blawat

4:58 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

RCP, which uses numerous polls, has Romney ahead.

Your race card is denied. Blacks are 13% of the population which means very many whites voted for Obama in 2008. However, by this time many of those who voted for him the first time realize that his policies and administration is toxic to the United States and will be voting for Romney.

Just Peachy

11:36 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

@ Pete...that is exactly my point....mud slinging, people bashing, all un-called for and immature to say the least. I don't have hatred for Obama. I didn't vote for him in 2008 nor will I in this election for far too many reasons to list but for none of the reasons you mentioned. I will tell you one thing, my vote is a well educated one. I read, watch the debates, tune in various places for information on our candidates and base my decision on my beliefs, what I feel is right for me, my family and country. God Bless America!!!

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Jack Gleason

12:15 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

BTW, if You saw the "Indy Debates" recently, didn't "Justice Party" candidate Rocky Anderson shine : ?

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Bruce Mitchell

2:17 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

OK, it's settled then. Scientifically, in this legitimate contender for the reddest of red states, if 40% of Republicans say President Obama lost the debate by a slight margin then that unequivocally proves that he won the debate.

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Patch of Midtown

3:38 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

The blogs on The Midtown Patch seem to be about 70% pro-Romney. Considering that Midtown is the bluest area in the entire state, the views here don't seem very representative of the area. It's doubtful that Cobb county is going to elect an openly gay east Asian anytime soon. IMHO.

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Andrew Blawat

8:52 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Georgia is a pro-Romney state.

Timothy Hammond

4:44 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

You would have to be a total idiot to vote for four more years of what we have had the last four! Obama has been a HUGE disappointment but he was not even close to being qualified in the first place. God help this country if he is re-elected.

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Patch of Midtown

5:49 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Timothy Hammond opinion = smart
Other opinions = 'total idiot'

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Patch of Midtown

9:39 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Obamanaut = Obama + Astronaut?

Andrew, it's ok to have another opinion and not be a 'total idiot'. You right and left wingers are taking your info-tainment too seriously. On Nov 7, one side will lose and they will think it's the end of the country and they'll spend the next four years complaining about everything that happens in great detail. The inverse will happen for the winner. Both sides will make their case and sell a lot of media in the process. I hear the same passioned plea from left wingers and their opponents are 'total idiots' too. Lighten up. This is the nature of democracy. It's gonna be alright.

Stan

8:37 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

If you ask bookies who make a living deciding who will win they have had Obama consistently ahead. Right now they show Obama with a 60 percent chance of winning.

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Andrew Blawat

8:51 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Irish bookies and the only way for an American to bet is to send them a check, cashiers check, international money wire.

https://intrade.zendesk.com/entries/22114391-how-do-i-deposit-funds-to-my-account

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Patch of Midtown

9:45 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Interesting quote from the 538 blog today...

"According to Brandon Adams, a professional poker player and a teaching fellow at Harvard, Intrade’s prices are not necessarily considered more reliable by professional gamblers. Mr. Adams says that Betfair and the sports book Pinnacle, both of which put Mr. Obama’s odds at about 63 percent as of early Wednesday morning, feature more sophisticated market participants."

Today's posting has a really good indepth analysis of the history and effectiveness of market based predictive models.

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Andrew Blawat

2:47 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Betfair has never accepted customers and/or credit card numbers from the United States. Pinnacle is another foreign company.

Since when is a poker player (ranked 69th) the leading authority on betting odds?

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Patch of Midtown

8:56 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Andrew, I still don't understand your logic that since Americans are not able to quickly bet on the election, then the results are completely discounted. I thought you would be a 'free market is best' type. There is no prediction model that is going to be 100% accurate. It's a fair conversation to analyze the past effectiveness of the markets. Discussing the statistical research of a Harvard fellow gets a little more merit than an anonymous bloggers 'Irish bookies' logic.

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Andrew Blawat

5:24 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

The logic is that just about every country out there wants the US to reelect Obama. They know he is destroying America and with each notch we drop they go up a notch

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Rest-of-the-world-bar-Pakistan-supports-Barack-Obama-in-2012-presidential-race-175767891.html

Mary Lou

9:45 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

@Todd Glaysher

9:54 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

No such thing as true "Independents". Just because someone is registered as an Independent doesn mean they are. Every person leans one way and thats the way they vote 99.99% of the time. Ive yet to met someone who votes between the two parties over their lifetime.
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Well then- it really doesn't matter whatever incorrect formulation you think your on to for yourself there, I have voted cross party lines in quite a few elections. . And yourself? what is your voting record?

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Todd G

7:45 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

I was referring to the Gen Election. Unless your voiting record is @ 50/50 your not an independent. And anyone who dosnt have their mind made up bu now needs to see a shrink. Its not that difficult a decison to make no matter what they say....

Btw: I wasnt referring to you per see...just making a comment on the whole notion of "true Indendents".

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Pete

9:19 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

@ Todd - Actually I am a TRUE independent - I voted D I R R D the last 5, and more than likely will go independent again this time, so I would probably qualify based on your 50/50 rule... Nice to meet you!

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Andrew Blawat

5:29 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Registered Democrats are slightly more likely to claim they are “independents” than people who are registered Republicans. In the 5-day, industry-standard poll, 80 percent of people who claimed to be Republicans were verified as actually being registered Republicans in a national voter information database. Among those found to be registered Democrats, only 76 percent said that they were Democrats.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/10/09/study-poll-respondents-more-likely-lie-about-voter-registration-r#ixzz2ALgDNZRe

Pete

9:12 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Hence the reason for a 4 party system - this way, you can have your extremists, and your moderates, and would actually see some sort of compromise.

Also interesting since surveys have shown most Americans are "social liberal fiscally conservative", yet have to vote for a candidate that is extreme in one aspect or another

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Bruce Mitchell

12:57 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Calm down mr. bla bla, unfortunately you can only vote once in this election, unless you engage in voter fraud. You can, however continue to post as many times as you want here. Excuse me. I have to go back to work now.

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Sharpie

9:35 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

"Support for Kill List and NDAA make Obama and Romney Unfit for Office"

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/nov/2/support-kill-list-and-ndaa-make-obama-and-romney-u/

See if there is a clear winner to our Presidential Election 2012.
Make a special note to watch the Free and Equal Election Debate between third party Presidential candidates, Gov. Gary Johnson (Libertarian) and Dr. Jill Stein (Green), to be aired tonight on Monday evening, Nov. 5th from 9:00 - 10:30 pm Eastern Time. Perform a worthwhile civic duty, and be certain to listen in on this historic debate so that you can make an informed decision on voting day. Third party candidates who will be on the ballot in most states deserve to be heard.

http://freeandequal.org/?v=1

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