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UPDATED: Roswell Chicken Man's Home Explodes
Andrew Wordes' home exploded Monday afternoon, March 26, as Fulton County Marshals were on the property to evict him.
UPDATED: Monday, March 26, 7:08 p.m. Years of legal hassles - first over keeping chickens on his property, then over city code violations and finally over his foreclosure - came to an explosive end Monday afternoon when the Alpine Drive home of Andrew Wordes blew up while Fulton County Marshals were on the property to evict him.
Roswell Police Spokesman James McGee told Roswell Patch a body was found inside the home by firefighters, but could not confirm whether or not it was Wordes.
The home went up in flames following the explosion, which occurred just before 1 p.m. Fire Chief Ricky Spencer said the fire was put out just before 2:30 p.m., on Monday. He also said there were no injuries to emergency personnel, but could not give any further details about how the fire started, despite speculation by other media outlets. A full investigation could take anywhere from a few days up to several weeks until it's complete.
Police have not yet confirmed whether the explosion was an accident or intentional.
According to a Tweet by Channel 2’s Mike Petchenik, Wordes had called him just before the explosion to tell him to warn Marshals to leave because "it wasn't going to be pretty."
Wordes is known for his his long time legal battles with the city over having chickens on his Roswell property. He spent three months in the Roswell Detention Center in 2011 after Roswell Municipal Judge Maurice Hilliard revoked his probation for violating city codes when he graded his yard in an attempt to prevent flooding, he said. Wordes told Roswell Patch at the time that he had tried to meet all his obligations, but that the constant fighting and flooding of his property had taken a toll on his finances, leading up to his eviction.
A motion had been filed to prevent the foreclosure and was still pending at the time of the explosion, according to several sources.
A friend of Wordes, Lee Fleck, forwarded Roswell Patch an e-mail sent to him during the wee hours of Monday morning, prior to a 9:30 a.m. hearing Wordes had concerning his property.
"My biggest concern is that since Roswell police officers should be at my scheduled trial at 9:30 a.m., Roswell Police and the [Fulton County] Marshall may think I am going to be in court and attempt to execute the writ of possession thinking I am not home. I am going to make sure I am outside in the morning in case they come by. As soon as I hear you have the order I am going to go to my 9:30 ... court hearing. Please call me as soon as you know anything so I can get my butt to court," he wrote in the e-mail to his attorneys.
Assistant City Attorney Bob Hulsey told Roswell Patch in an e-mail that there were no current Roswell citations or court proceedings pending against Wordes.
"My understanding is that today's events were precipitated by an order of eviction by Fulton Magistrate Court," he wrote.
Roswell Patch will bring you more details as we receive them.
Wendylin Highfill
1:53 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Bless this poor man's heart! This such a tragic ending to this long played out story! He really loved those chickens of his!
Potter
2:21 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Andrew fought to the bitter end to keep his house... This is a tragic ending to his long and needless battle over what??? Chickens in his backyard.... What is this world coming to.... He was hurting no one and yet this good man lost everything, the animals he loved and the house he had paid for 16 years... He felt he had nothing more to live for... I ask any of you how would you feel if this was done to you or your family....
Lee Fleck
3:24 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
The entire mess was a contrived execution of excessive government power spearheaded by Roswell's legal department and neither Mayor Wood nor any representative of city council stepped up to the plate on Andrew’s behalf.
Renee D
7:53 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Lee, I'm a friend of Andrew's and I can say I'm sad and angry that no one helped him when he needed them most. He was a kind, decent man. He loved my best friend, and wanted to marry her. Roswell took her future with Andrew away from both of them. Now, the city and police have to live with his blood on their hands for the rest of their lives, knowing they hurt a lot of people who cared about Andrew. We all want justice for him! I am calling for a corruption investigation against the CIty of Roswell, for their theft of his house and destroying a man's life!
Stephen
12:56 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Damn right.
lee Turner
6:35 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Lee, it's too bad you weren't elected when you ran for city council. I voted for you but I no longer live in Roswell (THANK GOD!). The council members and the city administrator are absolute AIRHEADS! How could any adult person have let this situation get this far? City of Roswell is a joke now - the laughing stock!!! Andrew Wordes was a kind, gentle person who was pounced on by a mob of weaklings who gloried in their perceived Power which they can exert ONLY IN A GROUP because every one of them is too cowardly to fight any battle on their own. Such people are dangerous and should be weeded out - or fired in this case. The head of code enforcement must be a really pathetic person who needs to be removed. Is there anything planned in the form of a demonstration or a petition to remove certain people over there, such as the administrator, the code enforcement supervisor or others? There SHOULD be. How can we get this started? In the meantime, let's bombard city hall with emails and phone calls insisting that those responsible for this tragedy be put on the street. We shouldn't let our tax money support such nazis. So glad I'm OUT of that gulag town !!!!!!!!
Stephen
8:36 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I am totally down for a protest. Just let me know where and when.
hog man
12:21 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Lee, to say that mayor woods didn't "step up" is a little wrong, don't ya think? he offered the man to live on his land before being evicted, he gave him money, and he constantly battled city council for wordes...i don't understand?
RedCamellia
5:11 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I agree with Potter. What a sad, sad ending to such a trivial molehill that Roswell Council turned into a mountain. Shame on every one of you! I hope you can sleep tonight.
neva
5:39 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
National News...Such a proud moment for the City of Roswell! They beat the hell out of a sweet man just trying to keep his animals and hold onto his home. What is happening to the city that use to be people friendly?
Kathy
5:59 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
A sad day for Roswell. Not sure how the Roswell City leaders are going to sleep tonight. shame on you.
David McMorran
6:33 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
A very sad day for Roswell and its citizens. But I disagree with the general sentiment of these posts. Laws are there for a reason. It isn't easy for any of us at times to meet their requirements but responsible people do. Ultimately, I don't know what gives Mr. Wordes the right to live outside the law I live within.
jm
11:33 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
What he violated were some code ordinances that may or may not have been legal. While he was fighting this legal battle, he didn't pay the fines, and they sent him to jail. After that he got behind on the mortgage (not working or paying bills from jail) and it sounds like it spiraled from there. Laws are sometimes unfair, and when they are you have the right to stand up and be heard. We're not talking about a thief or a drug dealer, we're talking about a man who owned chickens.
Stephen
12:53 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Because he was targeted in a personal vendetta by the bastards that run Roswell.
Lee Fleck
1:04 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
David, you simply don't know the facts or the numerous times the city acted outside the bounds of common human decency.
Mr. Wordes was deemed within his lawful rights when he went to court not once but twice and when the city’s own judicial system determined Mr. Wordes to be within the law your city retaliated with constant forms of harassment that drove Mr. Wordes to take his own life. Do you understand that reality?
I personally considered Andrew’s final actions to be honorable when he warned the law enforcement personnel to leave his property thus insuring their safety in an effort to make certain no one else would be harmed by his actions.
Jerry Hamilton
2:02 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Yes basically the laws are there for a reason and Andrew and the chickens won their initial battles, but the corrupt city officials litterally re-wrote the law to diliberately work against Andrew.
J Baugh
11:07 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Your compliant sort would live comfortably within the walls of any dictatorship. Laws are not necessarily the harbinger of common sense or social intelligence as most Americans are conditioned to believe. Laws can be useless, ridiculous, and, even, deadly. It is up to smart and freedom-loving folks to constrain the consistently overbearing rule of numskulls who seek to impose the often violent will of authority upon those who see life differently than they.
Renee D
7:55 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Shame on those evil, cruel, wicked demon possessed fools in Roswell, who would ruin a man's life for stupid, pathetic reasons! I'm a friend of Andrew's and I can say I'm sad and angry that no one helped him when he needed them most. He was a kind, decent man. He loved my best friend, and wanted to marry her. Roswell took her future with Andrew away from both of them. Now, the city and police have to live with his blood on their hands for the rest of their lives, knowing they hurt a lot of people who cared about Andrew. We all want justice for him! I am calling for a corruption investigation against the CIty of Roswell, for their theft of his house and destroying a man's life!
Stephen
12:54 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I am with you. I have been encouraging folks to email the mayor (for starters) just to swamp him with messages showing how angry we are.
Lee Fleck
8:19 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
The spotlight needs to be focused on Assistant City Attorney Bob Hulsey.
Renee D
8:23 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
What can we all do, regarding Bob Hulsey? Can we get anything done regarding and investigation into his corruption?
jm
12:56 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Renee: get the pitchforks, I'll get the torches!
OK, seriously. What evidence is there of "corruption"? Bad judgment, supporting idiotic code - OK. But corruption implies something that needs to be proven. I haven't seen that yet.
Rachel Dawson
9:27 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Is there anything we can do in his memory? Is there a chicken sanctuary or something like that we could donate to?
KLS
9:59 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
This is so incredibly sad. For the first time ever I am so disappointed in Roswell.
drugbytheneck
12:35 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Roswell sucks. He was a good person, trying to live a lifestyle that kept him close to nature. Property rights have to mean something or they could be the ruin or death of us all. They have to mean MORE than someone else's perceived worries over what someone else's lifestyle means to their perceived property values. As for chickens- they are funny, entertaining, giving creatures. They eat tons of bad bugs and ticks. One day when we all have lyme disease we'll wish we had chickens in our yards and not clustered so they can't move in inhumane chicken houses.
Stephen
1:00 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
This makes me sick. To think that some stupid, petty bullies who run a dinky little town can get away with false imprisonment, extortion, and driving a man off his land... I don't think Andrew made the right decision by blowing himself up, but I do understand.... I really hope this draws the severe scrutiny the entire city government of Roswell deserves. .
Lynn McIntyte
7:51 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I know Roswell has a new folk HERO in heaven. I hope his personal tragedy will be viewed as an act of self-sacrifice
to bring attention to the importance of governments learning compassion for their citizenry. I know our Roswell
Leadership, especially Mayor Wood, did not want this to happen. Now that it has, let the lessons be learned so that others will be treated better. We will miss him, he was so kind and willing to share! All of us lost a friend!
Teresa Street
12:50 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Well said indeed.
Michael N Martin
8:44 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
My name is Michael N Martin and I befriended Andrew Wordes during Jere Wood's Mayoral re~election campaign several years back. My self, Judie Raiford and Jere Wood tried to encourage Andrew to get back in the mode of being a contributing citizen. Offering him a free place to live in peace away from the lime light, cleaning up his yard of old cars, buying material possessions only prolonged the inevitable. We all have to work to get paid and then share the pay to live. Andrew had health issues but was too proud for welfare. He did not want to be a burden or a nuisance and chose this path on his own accord. Saying that the City and the Mayor and it's Council forced him to take his own life is not true. Thank goodness he had the respect of others enough to give them time to distance themselves from his decision to go out with a bang. I'm sad for the path he chose but i'm glad that he is no longer suffering. Peace be with you Andrew Wordes. I will cherish the time we had to laugh, eat and love the life style of the infamous Chicken man of Roswell. Kindest regards, MNM
Stephen
11:02 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Of course. Because we all know the city council didn't want his land to build a park on and spend years trying to railroad him off of it.
Roswell Mom
7:48 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Michael,
How did Wordes know how big the explosion would be? Aren't you giving a man who blew up his own house a little too much credit here? It would be so interesting to see how many would come out in support of this man if his blast had actually injured neighbors or public servants. This man brought the circus to town. I will be so thankful when this is all behind us.
Stephen
7:59 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Roswell Mom, Andrew is DEAD. What more will it take to make you happy?
JAMES MOORE
10:33 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Michael, the election is over. Say how you really feel. The staff at city hall ran our business out of town before we could get started with their petty nitpicking and surprise code revelations. We no longer live there, own a business there, or shop there. I cringe when I cross the county line headed that way. Obviously we had the means by which to leave. Some do not.
Roswell res
11:37 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Is it true the flooding on Mr. Wordes property occurred because of improper grading when the church expanded? Why weren't fines imposed on the church as diligently as Mr Wordes?
Lee Fleck
12:24 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I was on Andrew's property during the flood of 2009 and watched the waters of Hog Wallow Creek back up from the culvert under Hwy 9 as the result of poorly maintained storm water infrastructure. That culvert was blocked by tree limbs, and all sorts of vegetation which resulted in both his property & his home being flooded.
The city cited Andrew when he attempted to distribute dirt on his back yard that was washed away by this third flooding of his property AND HOME (his property flooded in 2002 and 2004). Mr. Wordes property never flooded prior to 2002 and the upstream development. Mr. Wordes lived at that location for 16-17 years.
The city had advise both Mr. Wordes & his neighbor that they would address the flooding with FEMA and recommend a buy out of their property but they repeatedly failed to do so until then State Senate Candidate John Albers addressed their failures with City representatives. Andrew has offered to sell out to the city on numerous occasions.
When the city wanted to put in a roundabout on Grimes Bridge they were quick to offer a financial settlement with a resident.
Now directly across from back yard was a commercial site that because of previous flooding was allowed to back fill right up the Creek which ultimately caused the flood waters to enter on to his yard instead of flooding low lying property in the rear of this commercial entity.
I hope that answers your question.
Lee Fleck
Lee Fleck
11:26 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Mr. Wordes told me that Roswell’s legal department, after being insulted in the City’s own municipal court, filed a 55-page civil suit against him in an attempt to take his property. Mr. Wordes stated that he spoke with his court appointed lawyer and he said Roswell filed a Civil Law suit as opposed to a zoning violation which is a criminal infraction. The civil suit was filed by city attorneys in attempt to deny Mr. Wordes his right to a public defender.
Mr. Wordes told me that his public defender was a criminal defense lawyer and said that law suit is so involved and that his public defender didn't understand all of it but he did said "it looks like they are trying to lien and probably take your house." Andrew’s public defender said they spent a lot of time figuring out how to get you and it looks like they have.
Mr. Wordes lawyer also said he wasn't aware that a civil lawsuit like this has ever been filed in Roswell City Court before.
Christine Foster
7:17 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Hello Lee Turner,
Thank you for your comment. As I've previously stated, we will remove posts that might be deemed offensive, in order to keep the dialogue within these comments civil and free of foul language. Feel free to re-post your sentiments without the foul language.
Lee Fleck
1:31 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Mr. Turner, Please comply with Christine's recommendation & I will be happy to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge.
Lee Fleck
lee Turner
6:10 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
WHAT FOUL LANGUAGE????????? I don't know what she's talking about! There was absolutely NOTHING inappropriate in my last post!
Christine Foster
6:30 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Hi Lee T,
There was one curse word in your last comment. Because of it, I removed the comment, per our policy. Feel free to re-post your thoughts. We appreciate your taking part in a community dialogue on our site.
hog man
10:13 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Did wordes really own the house or did he swindle it from a poor old lady in a nursing home?...and then even think to repay her? I heard he never made a pyment and then ask the city to pay more for the home than the old lady owed in a mortgage so he could pay her off and make a profit...
Renee D
10:17 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
How rude can you be? You never knew Andy, so keep your foolish comments to yourself!
Stephen
1:29 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Hog Man, you are disgusting, and you can't even put together a coherent sentence. How can he have "never made a payment" when he lived there for over 16 years, and owned more of the house than the mortgage holder did?
hog man
10:24 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I'm surprised none of his supporters mention his mental status as an issue here? He was stated as saying "my guns have been stolen, and for that, I'm not responsible" and "If my guns end up in the wrong hands and KILL an officer, I'm not responsible"....now does Roswell PO need to be his freind?...think NOT!
Renee D
10:33 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
His mental state was perfectly normal, considering all the cruelty Roswell put him through. Have YOU ever lost YOUR house? I HAVE! I know the pain of being foreclosed on wrongfully! I know the feelings of desperation, pain, anger, frustration, having some bank steal my house because of a simple job loss, occurring from the failed economy. And by the way, I was on the DEED, but not the LOAN, so half the property was still MINE and they still stole it, even though it was illegal! It's called corruption, the same corruption that Roswell used to make a man take his own life! Until you've been there, keep your mouth shut and your foolish comments to yourself!
Renee D
10:36 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Further, I think you're in kahoots with Roswell. You're one of those who were against Andy, weren't you? Maybe YOU were one of the evil neighbors who came against him! I'm not fooled by your rude, mean spirited comments. I know you were part of it. Shame on you!
Lee Fleck
11:45 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Sir, The day after Andrew was incarcerated I personally met with Chief Orrick & Kay Love and advised them that there were unsecured weapons on premise, the house was unlocked and that I had been advised that strangers had been on his property the night he was taken to jail.
Kay Love stated "No one from the city will go on his property"
Three months later when Andrew was released he notified the police of the missing weapons and that his house had been ransacked.
Then & only then did the police seem to consider missing weapons to be a problem. Duh.
Stephen
1:30 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
How is he supposed to be responsible for something that is taken out of his hands?
hog man
10:26 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
State the truth renee- show us the deed!
hog man
10:34 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I'm just glad his guns disappeared and he didn't do something more drastic! God bless him and his life in the after, but don't make this a Roswell issue- there's sick folk in this world...Roswell, Atanta and the world. Let's focus on mental issues, not city government issues.
Lee Fleck
11:31 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Hum, did you know that he was evaluated by the medical staff that services the Roswell Detention facility for the three months he was in jail.
Doctors, nurses & a shrink.
Sir, are you insinuating the Roswell Police Department allowed a mentally unstable individual back out on our streets?
hog man
10:43 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Can you share the specfics of the deed? You and andrew bought the deed from who? How old was she? How much was the deed for? How much of that deed has been paid to date?
hog man
10:46 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
We need details renee! Details! Please help us understand the whole picture.
Ramona Mays
11:13 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
It is sad when anyone takes their life. Over the 13 years he lived here neighbors have reached out to help. Many of the people on the street are old and sick, one on chemo. Many of us have taken his hogs home when they came in our yard and garden and also the dog. We hoped the chickens didn't get hit by a car since they ran loose in the front yard a great deal of the time. Didn't see the goats. You cannot force help on a person if he clearly does not want it (especially if he has guns in the house) and if you do try to force your unwanted help you will end up sitting in jail.
Rob in Roswell
1:50 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Ramona, I've got to tell you, that was probably as close to a decent post I've seen you make. In other comments regarding Mr. Wordes it's made clear that you sure didn't like him. It's funny because most comments always have something to do with the media attention he received. It's as if you longed to be a star at some point in your younger years and were jealous that he was in the AJC a few times the past 3 years. How petty!
However, nothing compares to the comment you gave channel 46 after the explosion: "Not surprised, not surprised because he hadn't had any attention for a while," "He's got to do his last hurrah." WOW! What a heartless individual! Who says such a thing after a man dies? And obviously not an evil man either. He wasn't a rapist, murderer, molester or thief. For all intents and purposes he was a good man that had a few quirks and hobbies that annoyed some folks. But my lord! That statement to 46? That's one of the most coldblooded things I've ever read! After that I had to look up your facebook page, where I couldn't believe you portray yourself as this ultra Christian elderly woman. How shameful!
Here is the article referenced: http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/17256579/roswell-chicken-man-blows-up-his-home
Renee D
2:28 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
I think I saw you on a TV interivew, and you were cold about Andy. I mean, to talk about him not getting attention? A last hurrah? How pathetic for you to say such mean-spirited things after we all lost a friend. Shame on you for your lack of love for Andy, a man made in the image of God. It's obvious you never liked him. You were against him, too. Andy talked to us about that. You didn't know the kind man we all knew. You all drove him to it, and you know it. You don't fool us.
Renee D
2:31 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Oh and Ramona, I HAVE GUNS IN MY HOUSE, TOO! It's called my 2nd Amendment right, just as Andrew believed in! What does that have to do with anything? What a foolish comment, Ramona. If you really knew Christ, you would have loved your neighbor as yourself.
Rob in Roswell
2:50 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Anyway... like I said, at least you somewhat redeemed yourself with that above comment. Though it sure didn't seem like you thought it was sad he had taken his life on Monday talking to reporters. If what you said above is true though, maybe you do have a heart after all... or maybe you realized god was watching.
Now, if you could just get over your Islamophobia.
Teresa Street
1:16 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Ms. Mays, after reading this post, I need some clarification. You state 'neighbors have reached out' but not did not mention yourself as reaching out, fully aware he had been living there for over 13 years.
You posted 'many of us have taken his hogs home...and also the dog'. Are you including yourself in the 'us' part? I'm just curious and not trying to offend. How many hogs have you taken to his home? I'm thinking hogs in my yard are worse than chickens on any day of the week.
Then you go on to say, 'We hoped the chickens didn't get hit by a car'. REALLY? Now you care about chickens after stating this man was out for his 'last hurrah'. Wow.
It's statements as such those that give Roswell a bad name. I love living in Roswell. I love working in Roswell. I love the schools in Roswell...then there are people like you.
Maybe you should be the one that should leave Roswell if you have such issues as petty as chickens and seem to be okay with practically bully induced suicide.
lee Turner
9:43 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Just read your quote that Rob referred to - here it is -"Not surprised, not surprised because he hadn't had any attention for a while," said neighbor Ramona Mays, who watched firefighters dousing the flames. "He's got to do his last hurrah."
Man, you are one cold-blooded, judgemental, self-important person! Can't believe you made that statement in public! Senility may be setting in, Ms. Mays. You self-proclaimed Christians give the rest of us real Christians a bad name! I hope you have to look at the burned out shell of Chicken Man's house for a long time, but of course, you and the other neighbors so critical of Mr. Wordes will start complaining to the city about THAT now. So glad I'm gone from Roswell with residents like you !
Lee Fleck
11:18 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Sir Hog Man, what really scares me is that people like you VOTE.
FYI, Andrew lived at that location for nearly 17-18 years and paid his mortgage until he fell behind as a result of being unemployed the last couple of years. He also advised me that it cost him ten's of thousands to rebuild the house after the property was flooded in 2002, 2004 & 2009 as a result of poorly maintained storm water infrastructure 7 upstream overdevelopement.
FYI, the City failed to timely file with FEMA (which they must do on behalf of a private citizen) and FEMA bought out homes totalling over $8 million in Cobb Couty and some $11 million in Atlanta after the 2009 flood.
It is also my understanding that Mayor Wood was in contact with Andrew's landlord to quell her fears that the city might take action against her.
Maybe you ought to do us all a favor and find out who eventually purchased Andrew’s mortgage for pennies on the dollar which ultimately resulted in the foreclosure & attempted eviction.
On the day of the tragedy his lawyer was attempting to stop the eviction because this individual's name was not legally included in the filing. That attempt failed.
(See WGSTV Channel 2 Mike Pachenik's report at
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/friends-chicken-man-planned-home-explosion/nLdt2/ )
Renee D
2:20 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Agreed, Lee!
hog man
11:48 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Lee, you say that woods was in contact with wordes landlord? Why do you have a landord if you own the house? Wouldn't woods be contacting the bank? Or was the bank an elderly lady in a nursing home who was "giving the home" to wordes in hopes that he'd repay the mortgage?...if so, seems like the victim is ms. Elderly? I'm totally confused? BTY-i vote every election.
Lee Fleck
11:54 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Sir, You really don't have a clue do you?
hog man
11:57 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Can you tell us the amount the amount that was paid on the motgage by Mr. Wordes? To the landlord or the bank? I just think it would help put this in a little perspective?
Lee Fleck
11:58 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Sir, Andrew's mortgage was held by an individual and not a bank. And I have no idea how much equity he might have had in the property. It simply was not my business nor the City's.
Stephen
1:34 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Hog Man, you want to know so much personal info about Andrew, why don't you tell us who YOU are and why you have such a deep seated problem with him? Or perhaps you are just a crony of the Roswell government, and you are too cowardly to use your real name?
Renee D
2:19 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Stephen, that's exactly who I think "hog man" is!
Kate Nyden
2:04 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Hog Man,
The fact is that you're making assertions which you can't prove. Its comical that you are accusing Andrew Wordes, who nearly everyone says was a kind, sweet man, of swindling an old woman on his mortgage... especially when you have absolutely no proof or even vague evidence for.
If you are looking for a conspiracy, you should educate yourself on the series of events carried out by the city of Roswell that drove this nearly homeless man to end his own life. In the mean time, please research the "moving the goalposts" logical fallacy.
One idea that you eluded to (I think.. it was hard to tell) that I do actually agree with is that there should be a deeper investigation about everything that happened. The city of Roswell is in desperate need of accountability, and the residents if Roswell should demand it. The truth about what was done to Andrew Wordes should be the focus here.
Renee D
2:17 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Thank you all for standing up for Andy. He was my friend and I will miss him. His girlfriend is my best friend, that's how I met him. He was a joy to know :)
Christine Foster
7:53 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Thank you all for your additions to the discussion on this page. I would like to take a moment to remind everyone to please keep comments civil toward one another.
Ramona Mays
9:19 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Mr. Rob, All we were told was that he had created an explosion in his house. Nobody knew he was in it. Yes, I was mad when I heard about the explosion because we have children and people walking in the area. We thought this was just another episode. For the last couple of years the media has blocked the streets and been at his house for some reason and even said this was for attention. We could not understand why he just didn't obey the law like everyone else. As far as having a phobia. If you will read my comments I said be informed about any group and their agenda and if this is considered a phobia I hope I never lose it.
Stephen
12:59 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Andrew was a patriot and believed in property rights and the second amendment. The fact that he was constantly in the news is incredibly ironic, because all he wanted was to be left alone. As he found out the hard way though, when you stand up for yourself, everyone and their brother paints a target on your back.
Rob in Roswell
12:21 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Ramona,
Your direct quote reads "He's got to do his last hurrah." To me last means final, the end. That would indicate to me that you thought he was dead. If this is not what you said perhaps you should contact 46 and ask for a correction or retraction.
Considering how involved (read nosey) you and a lot of his neighbors were with the predicaments in Mr. Wordes's life, this would be an easy assumption for you to make as you had to know he was in the house. From the things I've read and heard, he was watched very closely. Even if they hadn't found the body in the house by the time you made the statement, which was noted quite early on I might add, I'm quite sure most his neighbors knew he was there, especially the "involved" ones such as yourself.
'His last hurrah.'? Come on. Even you knew the point to which this man had been driven and harassed. You just didn't care because his chickens crowed when you didn't want them to, his property wasn't as neat as you thought it should be, his animals escaped occasionally and you thought he was an attention seeker. These are not valid reasons that a man should be driven to think he has no other way out but suicide. He didn't deserve the treatment he received. Not from you, other neighbors or the city. And I say this as someone who has dealt with plenty of "problem" neighbors in the past so I know what it's like. I never put my property values above someone else's life though.
Rob in Roswell
12:22 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Also... when you go into every article about a particular subject and post the type of things you do... It's not called being informed. It's called being prejudiced. You might try to hide it by being low key, but it's still very obvious. At least to the people that are able to think for themselves. And for the record, I'm a Christian, just in case you're wondering.
lee Turner
9:47 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
"We couldn't understand why he didn't just obey the law like everyone else." Spoken like a real doormat. Lady, there is nothing sacred about man-made law. We used to have Jim Crowe laws - should everybody have obeyed them? If they make a law against sitting on your front porch, will you just obey it? Engage your brain before you speak, please.
Allen Goodwin
2:24 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
"I'd like to know what role Roswell's elected city solicitor, Milton Barwick, played in all this - both officially and behind the scenes. Does anyone know?"
Lee Fleck
3:35 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Unless a "whistle-blower" steps forward we will never know.
lee Turner
9:43 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Hog man, I bet you work for the city of Roswell. And you're also one of these people who equates gun ownership with whackoism!! Gunphobes are a threat to freedom because they want to disarm everybody else. Lee Fleck, would you consider leading the whistle-blower brigade? You're articulate and intelligent and gutsy! A hard investigation needs to be conducted into this tragic and totally unnecessary situation. Certainly some of those city officials/employees should be fired. Whoever it was at the city who took steps leading up to the mortgage-holder foreclosing on Mr. Wordes should be put on the street himself! And all of you apologists for the city should be smart enough to realize that if they could treat Chicken Man like they did, then ANYBODY could be the city's next victim. We see what they're capable of. If I were Chicken Man's neighbors, I'd be nervous - the city really might want your property for a park!
Lee Fleck
8:44 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
A post-mortum article in Sunday's AJC contains the facts of which I have contributed.
Rob in Roswell
1:14 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
And yes, something has to happen. I have lived in this city over 13 years and until this was proud to tell any and everybody. This is the first time I've ever truly been embarrassed by and disappointed In Roswell.
I never agreed with what they were doing to Mr. Wordes, but assumed cooler heads would someday prevail and a satisfactory arrangement would be reached. It seems the city would have none of it, no matter what. They just couldn't stand to lose those cases. I guess they thought it looked bad. Nope... THIS makes them look bad. Very bad. On a national level even. What great press for one of America's best places to raise a family, huh?
The investigation needs to have started days ago. The GBI needs to get involved and probably the FBI. Roswell probably has too many cronies in the GBI for an effective investigation to happen with solely them running the show.
Lee Fleck
8:58 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Andrew & I meet went to the FBI office well over a year ago.
Andrew claimed that his civil rights were being violated by the City of Roswell.
The FBI's response was don't call us - we'll call you.
The GBI only comes in if requested bya local law enforcement entity. What were the odds of that happening?
Rob in Roswell
1:16 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
People tend to sit back and look at government as a thing. An object that takes cares of the things that need to be taken care of. They lose sight of the fact that government is people. People that have ambitions, be they political aspirations or just being head city clerk. These ambitions often create serious ethical issues. Greed, corruption, etc. Of course sometimes the traits are there to begin with. Sometimes it's all about a power trip, sometimes ego.
The fact is a lot of these people choose the unethical path at times for whatever reason there may be. If you get multiple people, especially those distributed through multiple departments, possibly even through multiple governments, working together in such a fashion, it's a recipe for disaster.
Sometimes maybe a man dies because of it, other times only property is lost, or perhaps a parent has their child taken away. In more extreme cases dozens, hundreds, maybe even thousands end up dead because of such corruption. Just because what I describe in the last sentence hasn't happened in THIS country, doesn't mean it's not possible. The governments here know to stick to bullying the individual, family or perhaps a neighborhood where a new freeway needs to go. Of course even then they don't usually stoop to the level we've seen with this situation. Regardless, there isn't a level of corruption that is acceptable.
lee Turner
6:25 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Rob, I've just reread this comment and you are so right - - the government is not a thing - it's made up of PEOPLE. We all speak against evil government such as Nazi Germany as if it's a faceless entity, but thousands of PEOPLE made up that government and it was those evil thousands of people who committed all those atrocities against their fellow man. And it's the PEOPLE in Roswell government who brought this Wordes tragedy about - walking, breathing PEOPLE with their own insecurities and need for a feeling of power or self-worth, whether they be the council members or the foot soldiers over there who happily did the bidding of their supervisors. Those individual PEOPLE need to be held accountable and fired or recalled from office and publicly vilified for what they are! Roswell code enforcement is so unreasonable, they caused a friend of mine to relocate her business to another city. Those non-productive parasites don't seem to understand that the small businessman is the BACKBONE of the economy. Instead businesses get treated like the Enemy by these silly people running around in brown uniforms checking on illegal temporary signs, for God's sake!!! And our tax money is going to pay people to do such silly jobs???? Man, it would be funny if it wasn't so outrageous. But governments never have any trouble finding people for such jobs. There are LOTS of losers out there! BTW, Rob, you're a great writer. Do you have a blog? If not, you should start one!
Rob in Roswell
1:35 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Don't think it can't happen to you? It most certainly can. You're quiet, obey the law, keep to yourself and don't cause any trouble? Doesn't matter. A lot of people that find themselves victims of such harassment say the same thing. Upset the wrong people about something, even over something very small and benign, and you could find yourself living your own personal little nightmare. Some individuals are very vindictive, some take things personally that they should not, and unfortunately some of them might hold some kind of power over you in your local government.
Wait... obviously they do if you live in Roswell.
Rob in Roswell
2:22 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
In fact, the thoughts above already crossed my mind years ago. Around the same time as one of Mr. Wordes's incidents with the city, the city had recently did work in the right of way between my property and the street. During this, they decided to also tear up my yard a good six feet away from the right of way. I received no notification they were going to do this, no apology after it was done, and when the work was finished, they filled the hole back in leaving a nice section of dirt that became a nice mud bog. This would have been frustrating enough if they just had left the right of way an eyesore, but they did it to my property as well. Well I waited thinking they would come back with some sod or something. Nothing ever happened. Guess who fixed it? Of course it was me.
Many times I thought about picking up the phone or writing an email, but I then I'd remember reading the news about Mr. Wordes. If they'd go to all that trouble over a man with chickens, I figured it wasn't worth possibly getting my name on a blacklist of some kind. Pretty sad, huh? Land of the free, baby!
So this article should come as no surprise: http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/27/10812551-states-with-the-most-lax-anti-corruption-laws?gt=43001
Hope most of y'all enjoyed my novel tonight. Hah! Or at least made you think.
Rob in Roswell
2:22 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Ramona: I'm a lot more concerned about the Roswell government than I am Islam. And yes I'm pretty informed about Islam. I don't take things only from context. The Bible can have some pretty awful sounding passages in it if taken out of context, and depending on an individual's personal interpretation, could be down right horrific if that interpretation was spread to others as truth. The closed minded and/or prejudiced will usually find what they are looking for one way or another. See, you turn a blind eye to Roswell's actions with Mr. Wordes because it ended up benefiting you personally. Those of us with no personal interest can see much clearer.
Ramona Mays
9:26 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Well Mr. Ron you have had a lot to say and unfortunately you don't know what has gone on in this area for the last 13 year. Maybe one day you will. My daughter has gone to see Mr. Wordes, prayed with him, talked with him and at the time he seemed receptive. I on the other hand for many years have tried to ignore all that was going on, keep quiet and don't make waves. This was until he approached me personally and I couldn't believe what he wanted. After this I decided being passive and not stating facts was not the way to go. When this explosion happened, power went out, we were told to evaculate because there had been explosion at his house and no mention of anyone in there. Yes that was an unkind remark but I thought why does this keep going on. There are children that get off and on the bus in front of his house, the mentally challenged boy that walks by to catch marta and all the others that walk. My hope is one day the whole truth about everything will come out and it usually does.
Michael Frisbee
8:34 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Andrew, my dear friend, will be laid to rest today. Please keep his family, multitude of friends, and many supporters in your prayers.
Rob in Roswell
9:22 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
For those concerned about what transpired with Mr. Wordes, I recommend that you check out this blog. It's full of good information that needs to be shared. www.theperspicaciousconservative.com/2012/03/26/its-not-over/
Clucky Girl
11:03 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Wow, reading Ramona May's remarks makes me think of the wicked witch neighbor that took Toto away from Dorothy, just sayin'...Ramona, you've got some serious mental issues apparently you need to deal with. I will laugh when the city uses eminent domain to steal your house.
hog man
12:02 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
who is going to clean up the mess at the house on alpine? cars, refrigerators, a boat that looks like it ran ashore? maybe some of the folks that cared for him so will help?...can you come and take some some of the trash away? lets have a memorial clean up....or will the taxpayers of roswell have to deal with this too?
lee Turner
8:27 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Oh, listent to Hog Man! Wordes' body is hardly cold and Mr. Property-Values is belly aching about when the clean-up is going to take place. I hope it takes a loooooong time! LOL!
Michael Frisbee
9:19 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
That's ok Lee - within the next few years, more homes in that area will become targets of the city as they prepare for their future city park.
Dan
12:44 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
You're som'thin' else, hog man. Have you no empathy? Dang, you're mean! Grinch season doesn't start for another eight months!
Ramona Mays
9:44 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Michael, Before you judge there are a lot of facts you have no idea about. My husband has worked in Mr. Wordes yard in the past. When the chicken issue started I was totally on his side. Didn't mind a few chickens and thought it was cute. Made up chicken cards to show friends and would have gone to battle for him. After a time I saw a lot of things happening that I knew were wrong so I threw away the cards and gave up. It is hard to watch something unfold that no matter what you try being kind, mean or whatever doesn't work. If I sound mean it is because I have been upset and mad at him and a lot of other people. This could have been solved along time ago. No one should take their life when there is a better way. As I have said before you cannot force help on a person. I am and will continue to be upset and mad for a long time about this whole situation.
richard childers
11:31 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Tar. Feathers. Rail. Rope. Next!
Lee Fleck
11:54 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
This is the sort of thing that should NEVER happen in America.
This tragedy is not solely about Mr. Wordes. And it is certainly not about chickens.
It is about the egregious uses to which government power may be put. It was a simple case of Mr. Wordes offending individuals in the machine of government and the reality that a very few civil servants simply didn't like him.
Citizens of Roswell, we have a bigger problem on their hands than a merely corrupt government. This travesty take us right past corrupt and into deliberately evil.
As John Adams said: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
I am placing the blame for this tragedy squarely upon the people of Roswell. And I hope and pray that we all come to an understanding of our duties and responsibilities. I encourage the citizens of Roswell take a much firmer hold of their governmental apparatus in the future.
Andrew Wordes’ tragedy is the true meaning of "Live Free or Die".
George Washington stated: “Which is more blameworthy, those who will see and steadily pursue their own interest or those who cannot see or seeing will not act wisely ?”
Krist Hochburger
5:51 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012
What happened to Mr. Wordes could happen to any of us. It is our not only our right but our DUTY to raise awareness on this horrible, tragic situation and DEMAND that a criminal investigation is conducted. If we dont stand up for others rights there will be no one left to stand up for ours!
lee Turner
8:41 am on Saturday, April 14, 2012
I urge everybody to write the governor and state attorney general to demand a formal investigation of all the connivances by the slimey city politicians and employees involved in this outrage. It doesn't have to be a long letter Just a couple of sentences will do. If Governor Deal DOESN'T look into this then his career in politics could be over, as there's a huge outcry, and not just from people in Roswell. This has almost gone viral. Hold the politicians' feet to the fire, especially Rich Dippolito and Beck Wynn (council members). The zoning director, Bradford Townsend, may carry a lot of responsibility too - not sure. Let's bombard the governor with these requests.
Lee Fleck
9:12 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012
Krist, On April 30 at 7 PM there will be an "Open Mic" city Council meeting where any membet of the public may speek for as lon as they wish. I encourage any interested citizen to come forward,
Lee Fleck
10:39 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012
Roswell Police deny access of visiting press to Roswell City Hall (you will not read about it in the local print press):
http://www.infowars.com/infowars-reporters-harassed-by-cops-for-asking-questions-about-chicken-man/
Dan
7:47 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012
Wow. What are they hiding, one would naturally wonder? Thanks for the post, Lee.
Krist Hochburger
12:00 am on Saturday, April 14, 2012
Lee, thank you for the info on "open mic" night. I will be there. Hopefully we will have more luck than Darren Mc brean.
Lee Fleck
3:39 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
Mr. Turner, the most appropriate protocols would be to start with the Fulton County DA Paul Howard's office.
The Assistant DA's name is Todd Ashley. He has an office in North Fulton off of North Point Parkway.
Phone # is 404-730-4980
Lee Fleck
11:52 pm on Monday, April 16, 2012
You Tube Link(s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4r3EkpgrVg&feature=relmfu
Stephen
12:31 am on Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Disgusting.
Steven Van Ginkel
11:42 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Hi all, I am entering into this a little late. Originally from Iowa, moved here from Phoenix about 9 months ago. My dad was going through similar things as Andy. What's the latest? How can I get involved? How or should we hold anyone accountable for this?