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What’s Wrong With Our News Media?

As the TSPLOST issue has gained more publicity over the last several months we have been treated to many working examples of the media-as-advocate instead of media-as-reporter.

As the TSPLOST issue has gained more publicity over the last several months we have been treated to many working examples of the media-as-advocate instead of media-as-reporter. 

The coverage seems designed to reinforce the Maven/ARC/Chamber message rather than to examine the facts about the project list objectively.  

Things you hear and see repeatedly:

  • Atlanta is choked with traffic.
  • TSPLOST will fix our congestion problems.
  • TSPLOST will fuel Atlanta’s growth.


Things you never hear or see:


The project list and many of the real facts about it are available at www.TrafficTruth.net. The ARC sites overwhelm you with soft data and studiously avoid any real analysis. Some questions a real reporter might ask (and that TLC representatives have asked repeatedly):

  • What are the underlying assumptions used in the ARC model to project ridership and increased jobs?
  • Where can we find the backup detail to analyze the projected project costs for the projects on the list?
  • How much money that was already allocated to these projects will be reclaimed and used for other projects?
  • How many of the proposed transit projects will not be completed within the 10-year window?
  • How are the ongoing operational costs of the transit projects going to be funded? 


The hard truth is that the TSPLOST is a massive tax increase that puts a gusher of funds into organizations that have little real budget oversight, to fund projects that, with only a handful of exceptions, will do little for congestion relief and much to enhance property values for the major developers funding the campaign. 

Our news media collectively owes their audience a much more professional investigation and presentation of the hard facts. 

Georgia, we can do better than this, and we must.

R July 13, 2012 at 04:04 am
Well at least the oft heard challenge of "no plan b options on the table" has been debunked by ACC- SEC Booster....
I believe I saw similar entries on Peach Pundit way to go! Just vote NO and tell our leaders to redo their homework.
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 04:09 am
{{"Gwinnett County is one of the fastest growing counties in the United States. I don't see anything wrong with creating more lanes."}}
I completely agree, the only thing is that there is virtually no additional right-of-way remaining along I-85 to further expand or widen the extremely busy road (about 300,000+ vehicles per-day) between Spaghetti Junction and Pleasant Hill Road as many sections of the road are closely lined with higher-value commercial and industrial properties that the governments of Gwinnett and DeKalb counties don't want condemned and are not willing to give up for a possible widening of I-85 because of the higher amounts of revenue that those properties contribute to the property tax digest. Since the road cannot be expanded and widened horizontally, the only place that the road could possibly be expanded is vertically by way of an elevated roadway, which I personally have no qualms with seeing as though the amount of traffic is likely to only further increase over time (both truck and commuter traffic).
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 04:24 am
But road widenings and expansions of any kind, especially of the increasingly-crowded freeway system, have been increasingly politically-difficult, if not politically-impossible, to pull-off in Metro Atlanta in recent years, especially after the defeat of the Northern Arc a decade ago in which environmentalists and anti-road expansion and pro-transit advocates Intown loudly (and successfully) objected to $2 billion possibly being spent on a new road instead in the distant suburbs and exurbs instead of mass transit in the urban area. Since then it's been increasingly downhill for already-scarce road expansion projects in Metro Atlanta as a commonly-heard refrain, both ITP and OTP, is that "more roads will only lead to more traffic".
Unlike in competing Sunbelt states like Texas, Florida or North Carolina, Metro Atlanta has developed rather "unique" political environment that overall seems to be increasingly hostile, and even downright toxic, to road expansion, even in politically and socially-conservative suburban and exurban areas Outside-the-Perimeter.
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 04:55 am
Speaking of road-widening proposals that were poorly-received by the public, the Georgia Department of Transportation actually had plans to widen I-75 Northwest to between 18-26 lanes between the I-285 NW Cobb Cloverleaf and the I-575 split/merge interchange, but that idea was quickly withdrawn due to very negative public feedback once the media got a hold of it. Feedback which also included objections by the Cobb County government to the prospect of losing to a massive road expansion very valuable commercial and industrial properties that make up a very significant portion of the county's property tax digest and contribute a very substantial amount of tax revenue to the county's tax base.
http://www.nwhovbrt.com/ http://www.nwhovbrt.com/media/pdfs/CncptLO/MAIN_OPTION_3b.pdf As a result of the very negative public reaction to the state's plans to widen I-75 to between 18-26 lanes the plans to expand the road were dramatically downsized from proposing to add 15 new lanes to the right-of-way to proposing to add 3 reversible lanes to the right-of-way and then were downsized again to the current proposal that adds 2 partially-elevated and reversible HOT lanes to the westside of the I-75 right-of-way. http://www.nwcproject.com/
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 07:09 am
Ground Chuck 10:32 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012-
I completely agree that people cannot be expected to flock to mass transit and ride an inferior product in MARTA. But the outer bypass around Atlanta that you are suggesting was tried when the state proposed to build an Outer Perimeter highway in the late 1990's. http://www.conway.com/loop.htm The Outer Perimeter proposal was reduced to just the now infamous-Northern Arc between I-75 NW & I-85 NE in 1999, then was delayed due to increasingly negative intense political pressure all sides of the political spectrum on then-Governor Roy Barnes, then was eventually cancelled in 2003 by then-new Governor Sonny Perdue who successfully ran for office on cancelling the increasingly-unpopular proposed road. The Republicans that dominate the Georgia Legislature that came to power back in the early 2000's partly on the strength of campaigning against an increasingly-unpopular proposed Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc that the previously-dominant Democrats backed will not even broach the subject of reviving the unpopular (and politically-unfeasible) Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc as the Georgia Department of Transportation, which agrees with the assertion that an outer bypass could help relieve congestion from urban freeways, was derided by the press and totally-ignored by the Legislature when they attempted to resurrect the Northern Arc idea even farther out from Atlanta on two occasions in 2007 and 2010.
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 07:58 am
Compelling people to use mass transit (that largely does not exist) is what the powers-that-be are (poorly) attempting to do as there is a concerted long-term effort underway to force motorists onto mass transit by intentionally adding virtually no new road capacity and allowing traffic congestion to worsen.
This article on the erstwhile-Northern Arc in the August 11, 2000 edition of the Tollroads Newsletter gives a little bit of insight into the Atlanta regional mindset of intentionally adding virtually no new road capacity both to attempt to force motorists onto mass transit by anti-road and pro-transit environmentalists, politically and socially-liberal Intown urbanites and density and rail transit-obsessed developers and by conservative and libertarian anti-road suburbanites and exurbanites who want to discourage the type of excessive growth and overdevelopment that has turned once-exurban Cobb and Gwinnett counties into overpopulated, overcrowded and increasingly urbanized districts of Metro Atlanta. http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/2723
Robert Pendley July 13, 2012 at 01:15 pm
The answer is if you can't work for yourself (own your own business) you work for someone else. If you can't work for someone else (be an employee) you work for the government (federal, state, county, city or local). If you can't work for government then run of office (president, vice president, congress, governor, LT. Governor...).
Melinda Paris July 13, 2012 at 01:32 pm
The PROBLEM with all of this, the ones' that want to put MORE TAX ON ALL OF US, is this: They DON'T CARE how to fix the problem, they don't even discuss in detail or bounce idea's, cause they are ALL incompetent, and all they want to do is impose more tax on the people, well this person is sick of it! ONLY 5% of the city dwellers ride Marta, and the rest of us--well, I'd rather go lick dirt off the sidewalk, Marta is nasty, I feel very afraid, I never see security, its just sickening to even board a Marta bus or transist little train, we've tried it for baseball games and other things, but frankly til they clean it up, not many people are going to join in and ride or bring their families to catch a ride, and its too bad, cause other cities make it work, but for me, I'M NOT WANTING TO PAY MORE TAXES FOR NOTHING BUT LIES OF LIARS!! VOTE NO--NO MORE TAXES, WE'RE SICK OF IT, WE'RE IN A RECESSION, I GUESS THE POLITICIANS DON'T read their memo's, and don't give a flip, I sit here and fume at the big fancy sidewalk, they just spent millions on in Cobb County in front of a cemetary where no one walks, and then they spent millions on a bridge on a walking trail at Cheatum Hill-we needed a new bridge, but we didn't need this one that is fancy down in the woods--and then we had firemen/policemen and others on forced furlough- Time to stop the waste, if anyone votes for this , thinking their traffic problem is getting better, hey I DO HAVE some swamp land you can build on, call me.
Melinda Paris July 13, 2012 at 01:39 pm
To ACC-SEC Booster: I wanted to add, you have great idea's, if we could only get the greedy politicians to read and chew on some of these thoughts. I frankly don't know what the answer is, but I DO KNOW that I can't afford more tax every time the commissioners meet, that's ALL they know, is too impose more tax. I'm fed up with it, and frankly I, at 57 years old will never understand any human being that will go to a voting machine and vote YES, I want more tax, who does that?? They (the politicians) will do it for us over and over, but to vote yes for myself to pay more?? I just don't understand that, except the person has to be blind or REALLY BELIEVES what the ad's, articles, tell them. Always vote NO, cause you going to get higher taxes one way or the other from them, so NEVER induce tax on yourselves. Take a stand and tell them to find the money to do what is needed, they have the money and especially if they would clean up the waste, let them ALL go on vacation, and I'll be glad to come and do house cleaning--There is plenty there, quit wasting, quit taking their expensive trips that they call conventions, and hey politicians give up your tax payer's vehicle and gas cards you ride around in--Hey, you want to get rid of some waste, I know where to start with the ones that keep trying to put the shot of lies in our arms and bank accounts
Robert Pendley July 13, 2012 at 01:59 pm
What is now appering to me is that now we are talking is the lack of elected officials governing. When the decision was made for the northern arch and the land was bought they should have gone on and built it. It is like a CEO making a decision to do something unpopular but nessessary to make the company better and more proffitable. What we need are leaders, not poll takes!!!
Melinda Paris July 13, 2012 at 03:53 pm
ACC-SEC, Keep your comments coming, and Thank You for sharing articles and facts that we can READ, that is if some of the folks that are "trying" to bash you would take the time to read..Its' really ignorant for someone on a forum or blog to give Facts for us to read and then make your opinion, instead they come on here and say "get a life", let me tell you what that tells me, It tells me its another person or people that want more "freebies" and they think they are going to get more Free Marta rides on our tax dollar, they want more entitlements, I WANT LESS GOV'T in my life, I want to attempt to try to work everyday and help support my family, and I'm tired of the GOV'T wanting to take it away and give it to those that think its okay to sit on their behinds and take it away, cause that's the FAIR thing to do! That's NOT FAIR, I've worked MY ENTIRE LIFE, and I'M PROUD OF IT, and I've never been guilty of sitting and doing nothing, even when their was sickness and other ailments, there is ALWAYS something EVERYONE can do, before you all jump, I will add there is always going to be EXCEPTIONS to that, there is going to be some that CANNOT WORK, AND CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about those that sit on their LAZY butts, and want the "gov't" to do more, I heard on the radio a lady say the Gov't will take care of her? The radio personality ask her who is the Gov't? She replied people in WASHINGTON..Lord, Help us!
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 07:53 pm
Well, thank you very much for the compliments, Ms. Paris.
And thank you to Mr. Mike Lowry for being a bloodhound on this issue and not letting crap fly from the powers-that-be who only care about pushing their misguided and highly-flawed political and social agendas at the expense of implementing REAL transportation mobility upgrades.
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 08:16 pm
You make a very valid point as the state could have maybe been able to build the road if it had been built early-on when that area was largely rural and very-sparcely populated from between the time when the idea for the road was first proposed in the 1960's to about the mid-1980's before heavy exurban and suburban residential development started to encroach upon and takeover the area in the late 1980's and later.
After the exurban and suburban development started to close-in it was going to be pretty much completely impossible to build that road as the rural and agricultural land owners in the area wanted to be able to reserve the right to sell their land to the highest-bidding land spectulators and real estate developers who had started building in earnest by the time that the state had started to move on that proposal in the late 1990's. Also, by the time that the state had gotten around to moving on that proposal, much of the land for the road in Cherokee and Forsyth counties had increasingly high-end exurban residential development closely lining both sides of the proposed right-of-way of the Northern Arc and those newer residents in those newer high-end homes were not going permit the road to be built out of fear that it turn their exurban communities into something akin to overcrowded Cobb and Gwinnett counties which have both since grown even more intensely overcrowded and overdeveloped in the decade since the cancellation of the unpopular road.
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 09:01 pm
Also, the political leaders who backed the building of the road, Roy Barnes and the Democrats, were effectively severely-pressured by an increasingly angry public into cutting back, delaying, suspending the project and were kicked out of office in the 2002 election before they could really move on building the road, which became increasingly intensely unpopular within the media and with the public during the course of Roy Barnes' one term in office as was demonstrated by Barnes significantly scaling back the road from an entire Outer Perimeter loop to just the Northern Arc between I-75 NW & I-85 NE in 1999 and then delaying and suspending the road during his failed re-election campaign in 2002 in which his opponent, Sonny Perdue, won election to office partly on the strength of successfully campaigning against the increasingly-unpopular road proposal, which he cancelled upon almost immediately upon taking office in 2003 as part of his campaign promise.
Tim July 13, 2012 at 09:04 pm
Thanks ACC-SEC Booster for you comments - I may not agree with all of them, but I do agree with most and appreciate your thoughtful comments and suggestions!
Rather than toll roads, which also cause backups at the toll booths, why not increase the gas tax to fully cover the costs of roads including expansion? That way, if you drive on more roads/more miles, you pay more. That will also make the transit folks happy since they won't be paying the gas tax (except indirectly if buses that use gas charge the real cost of a trip), the "increase roads" crowd will be happy since they will have the funds then to build and maintain more roads. Seems like a poor solution for a tax on food, or toys, or clothing to go for road building. One last comment, I too agree with the majority on this board that the current and past political "leadership" of Georgia is severly lacking in planning, execution and looking towards the future. I am getting the impression as I travel, that Atlanta, and Georgia in general, are falling behind some of our other states and cities like DFW, Charlotte/All of NC, SF, and even Chicago and New York in terms of planning and execution for the future.
Robert Pendley July 13, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I understand and remember the election but there was more to it than just the northern arch. Also the state was turning more to the right. Also the rest of the state didn't want to fund anything in the Atlanta area. They feel that the capital area gets more tax dollars than it puts into the kitty. I understand it is easy to turn it into a one subject election but more is there than meets the eye.
Robert Pendley July 13, 2012 at 10:06 pm
I for one am tired of more taxes. NO MORE TAXES!!!! Make do with what you have. There is enough money in the tank to do what you want. If or when we give more money the politicians will spend them on buying votes, just look at the 400 toll money.
ACC-SEC Booster July 13, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Tim, thank you for your compliments as well.
And speaking of toll roads and transportation planning in other states like North Carolina, I'm glad that you mentioned the subject of how traditional toll booths cause back-ups on toll roads as North Carolina just recently opened a couple of new toll roads that use no toll booths, the NC 147 Triangle Expressway through Research Triangle Park outside of Raleigh. Motorists just drive through a bank of sensors that charge their accounts if they have a Peach Pass-like box that is used on the increasingly-hated GA 400 and I-85 toll sections and if they don't have that type of Peach Pass-type box then a camera takes a picture of their license plate and mails a bill to their address later (I think that bills are mailed out on a weekly basis).
ACC-SEC Booster July 14, 2012 at 12:15 am
Raising the gas tax would probably be, at the very least, the simplest way to collect more road maintenance revenues, the only (major) problem with that approach is that most of the Republican politicians who dominate state government sign a "No New Taxes" pledge before they take office.
Voting to increase the state's increasingly meager gas tax would be seen by many voters as being a direct violation of that campaign pledge of promising never to raise taxes for any circumstance, a pledge that has become a virtual prerequisite to taking office in the Republican Party. In their minds, I guess, voting to pass legislation that asks the voters if they want to raise their own sales taxes is technically not a direct violation of that "No New Taxes" pledge that the overwhelming majority of Republican candidates sign before taking office, through many of their constituents and the conservative base of the Republican Party feels otherwise. The fallout from the defeat of this failed and flawed T-SPLOST referendum may be that the Legislature, which wasn't exactly lightin'-it-up anyways when it came to transportation planning and funding, will likely view Georgia's (Metro Atlanta's) mounting transportation issues as being politically-radioactive, not unlike the issue of the Northern Arc and an Outer Perimeter bypass has been in the decade since that increasingly-unpopular project was cancelled due to intensely negative public pressure.
ACC-SEC Booster July 14, 2012 at 12:34 am
Robert Pendley 6:00 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012-
You are right, sir. That election was not just a one-issue election as there was more to that election than just the Northern Arc itself as there was also a lot of widespread dissatisfaction over the state flag issue, the state budget deficit at the time and most teachers in the state, who were unhappy with Roy Barnes governing skills, voted as a bloc and those issues collectively led to the defeat of Barnes and the long-ruling Democrats by former Democrat-turned-Republican Sonny Perdue who successfully campaigned all of those issues, but the very-powerful role that the Northern Arc played in that election cannot and should not be discounted. There was also outrage by ITP pro-transit activists over $2 billion being spent on a new road OTP instead of transit in the city and close-in suburbs as far as the Northern Arc goes. Though, the irony of it all is that it is a very similar political coalition that joined together to defeat the Northern Arc that is joining together to lead the way in the defeat of the increasingly-unpopular T-SPLOST. A highly-unlikely coalition that includes conservative and libertarian suburban and exurban Tea Partiers from outside I-285 and liberal transit activists, environmentalists and urbanites from inside I-285 and Fulton and DeKalb counties.
ACC-SEC Booster July 14, 2012 at 12:55 am
Your experience on MARTA is very reflective of why most Metro Atlantans don't even consider public transportation to be a real option despite the horrendous traffic jams that most commuters are saddled with on a daily basis.
Now many hard-core pro-transit advocates ITP might interpret or portray your comments as being anti-MARTA or anti-mass transit, but you didn't say that you would never use mass transit or have any preconceived notions about MARTA, you just stated that you actually tried to use MARTA and found it to be dirty, disgusting and unsafe which is what many people experience when then try to use MARTA, which means that for you, the reality was not that far off from the negative perception that much of the region, especially outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties, have of MARTA . And you know what they say about perception and reality in politics ("In politics, perception IS reality"), meaning that if the vast majority of this region perceives MARTA to be dirty, dangerous and ineffective, then it is as no matter how good or bad or in-between the actual reality may be, the POLITICAL REALITY is that MARTA is dirty, dangerous and ineffective.
ACC-SEC Booster July 14, 2012 at 01:03 am
A similar situation exists for the state-controlled Georgia Department of Transportation which is perceived as being corrupt, ineffective and wildly incompetent.
No matter what GDOT does right, they will continue to be viewed in a very negative light over issues like severe accounting errors to the tune of billions-of-dollars in some cases, the winter weather debacle back in January 2011, the GA 400 Toll and the I-85 HOT Lanes (both of which are technically under the purview of the State Road and Tollway Authority). But to the public, the particulars don't always matter as in politics, perception is reality and the political reality is that GDOT is ineffective, inept and incompetent at the behest of the ineffective, inept and incompetent state legislature that controls them. It's not good when the public has a sharply-negative perception of its very crucial government institutions in a region with very-severe traffic congestion and transportation mobility issues.
Robert Pendley July 14, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Now that we have Covered the no new tax pledge let's go with what they can do to get around their pledge. How about ending the income tax which is regressive and "unfair" to those who do pay them. Let's go with what Is working for the states of Texas, Tenn., and Florida. Let's go with a state sales tax. Jimmy Johns left Illionis because of liberal taxes and went Florida. The state of Cali. Haas lost 4 million people in the last two years and hundreds of businesses and. The Bulk of those went Texas because of their state tax system. I. Would sure like. To see some of these estabalished companies come here and help those Who live here now as well.
Dwayne July 15, 2012 at 04:13 pm
I agree then Booster that the roads should be expanded vertically if it's not possible horizontally. But not as an extra expense. Get rid of the programs that are not working for the purposes they proposed and sucking up all the funds and just re-route them.
jimmie July 15, 2012 at 11:53 pm
"No government can exist without taxation. This money must necessarily be levied on the people; and the grand art consists of levying so as not to oppress.'' — Frederick the Great, 18th Century Prussian king
i'm feeling oppressed already frederick.
Martin July 16, 2012 at 02:03 am
This entire initiative has been in the works for several years. Anyone on the site could have participated in that process to help determine what projects are on this list.
ALL of this blather I find to be just truly sad. Its always the seems to boil down to us vs "those people" or "what's in it for me?".
Melinda Paris July 16, 2012 at 02:46 am
I don't understand the above statement, "those people" or "what's in it for me?" Who is "those people"? I have paid higher taxes in some form, shape in the last four years, last year it was our milleage rate went up, the year before we had a "splost" tax, imagine that...Everytime, they put out what roads are going to be improved, or widened or etc,,,,they begin the project and then in a few years, people (CITIZENS such as I) WILL ask why didn't that "project" get completed? The answer is always the same, we ran out of money, ONE project that comes to mind is Hwy. 92 that runs through part of Cobb/Paulding/Douglas Counties. They (the state) as paid some of my friends money and purchased their homes to widened State Hwy. 92/ other's have NOT been approached yet, this has been going on for about seven or more years, but the latest according to officials is the project is out of money. Okay, so that means that they took money out of that special splost tax "pot" to burn somewhere else, cause they promised if we voted in more money that was one of the top priorities, now--the road is not widened to four lanes, and there is houses missing in spots, just a big ole' mess- I resent anyone saying that some of us are in for "what's in it for me?", Sir, I'M TIRED OF THE LIES from the politicians, I KNOW there is nothing EVER for me but higher taxes for the CROOKS TO SPEND ON THEMSELVES-Good citizens very rarely get their tax's worth!!
Melinda Paris July 16, 2012 at 02:58 am
Wouldn't it be nice to go vote for a added tax and then see the actual work be done in a timely manner? Why does folks not get we're tired of the talking and receive no action? Most of the people I know and talk to feel the same way? Today, we attended a family gathering of about 30 plus, some live in Cobb, some in Paulding and some in Douglas/Haralson Counties, all that were there are voting, the ages varied from high 20's- 70's. NOT ONE HAS OR WILL VOTE YES!! Now, that was a pleasant gathering for once, we ALL agreed it is a bunch of lies and during a recession time, ANYONE that even talks about more taxes in this season of HIGH unemployment, and High number of business's that are in the toliet and are struggling is NOT the time to tax the people MORE. We're getting enough of that ryhme from the Federal Gov't. Most of the people I know are good, tax-paying, citizens and we feel we are being squeezed from every corner of the Gov't, where it be local, state and /or Federal. So, again, I say from this family ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We can't stand to be taxed anymore, they need to trim the fat, get rid of the waste, those numbers could change so much. Its called Greed from the top Dogs. Its not about any of us getting what we want, its about SURVIVING during this downfall economy, its about feeding our families and keeping a roof over our heads, we're at the point, we're worried about NEEDS, the WANTS are not even in the equation at this point. VOTE NO!!!
jimmie July 16, 2012 at 03:02 am
Melinda Rocks. It is sad that we have reached a point where NO ONE trusts a darn word a politician says when they try to extricate more cash out of you. People in office now won't even be around when these projects finish f-ing us over and their replacements will just blame those who have gone before who are drawing paychecks from the developers for future "consulting" work. This project is nothing more than progressive redistribution repackaged...lets all chip in so the moochers can have more bus routes and more train routes to get around so they can spend government handouts that also come from those who are successful enough and work hard enough so they actually have to pay taxes on income, much less on consumption. Scre- the t-splost and all the liars who developed it.
Melinda Paris July 16, 2012 at 03:17 am
Thanks Jimmie! BTW..Folks, I do know that its the T-Splost Tax, and I know I usually refer to it as splost, I do that to SAVE a stroke, so I can use every space that I can, I know how to SAVE whether its taxes, groceries and etc....Elect me, and watch all the moochers, takers, enablers, people who think they are ENTITLED, and people who think everything needs to be FAIR and more of the same kind, just all go away, I would clean house in local, state and Federal offices, til we wouldn't need all the Gov't space that we have now!! I would tell them all to take a vacation, and when they come back to their cushy job, it wouldn't be there, and they would be no reason for them to ever report back...I'M SICK of all the Gov't sitting around figuring out how they can take MORE AND MORE and give it to the sorry butts that don't work and contribute their part. I will have to work til the day I die to support all the sorry butts that WON'T WORK, but DESERVES to have the same as I DO!! B.S. to all of that, I work hard so I can play hard, and if other's choose to do nothing, then so be it, get nothing in return!! I still say VOTE NO!!

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